Comments on: A return to modesty http://www.topofthemountains.net/2006/08/02/a-return-to-modesty/ "Hitch your wagon to a star." —Ralph Waldo Emerson Sun, 12 Oct 2008 07:18:23 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0 by: Ben http://www.topofthemountains.net/2006/08/02/a-return-to-modesty/#comment-40299 Fri, 29 Jun 2007 13:08:37 +0000 http://www.topofthemountains.net/2006/08/02/a-return-to-modesty/#comment-40299 LOL, there are indeed a plethora of comments on here. But that's good, and more are always welcome. :) I'm glad you liked Wendy's book. A few weeks ago I saw some copies in the bargain corner of the BYU bookstore, and now I wish I'd bought them so I could give them out... At any rate, it's an excellent book which everyone should read. Thanks for your comment. :) LOL, there are indeed a plethora of comments on here. But that’s good, and more are always welcome. :) I’m glad you liked Wendy’s book. A few weeks ago I saw some copies in the bargain corner of the BYU bookstore, and now I wish I’d bought them so I could give them out… At any rate, it’s an excellent book which everyone should read. Thanks for your comment. :)

]]> by: Bethany http://www.topofthemountains.net/2006/08/02/a-return-to-modesty/#comment-40277 Fri, 29 Jun 2007 08:52:55 +0000 http://www.topofthemountains.net/2006/08/02/a-return-to-modesty/#comment-40277 I realize that this post has enough comments to justify a whole new webiste just to contain them, but that will not stop me from adding my voice to the fray. I read Wendy's book after seeing it in the BYU bookstore several years ago. It changed my life forever because it helped me see myself and my feminity so differently. Ditto, ditto, ditto! Your comments and praise of the book as a work and of Wendy as a person echo my opinions exactly! Thanks for spreading the word. I realize that this post has enough comments to justify a whole new webiste just to contain them, but that will not stop me from adding my voice to the fray.

I read Wendy’s book after seeing it in the BYU bookstore several years ago. It changed my life forever because it helped me see myself and my feminity so differently.

Ditto, ditto, ditto! Your comments and praise of the book as a work and of Wendy as a person echo my opinions exactly! Thanks for spreading the word.

]]> by: coffeecustard http://www.topofthemountains.net/2006/08/02/a-return-to-modesty/#comment-33829 Wed, 18 Apr 2007 03:18:18 +0000 http://www.topofthemountains.net/2006/08/02/a-return-to-modesty/#comment-33829 thewife: My two pennies' worth in regard to socially profiling countries. Egypt had one of the lowest crime rates (even though the media reports otherwise; I know, I live there) when its people were in general a lot more modest than they are now. Since becoming mroe liberated (rather, since embracing unnecessary nudity: topless sunbathers in Hurghada and Sharm, unnecessary, but girls in midriff-baring tops running errands? Why?), crime has soared freakishly fast. thewife: My two pennies’ worth in regard to socially profiling countries. Egypt had one of the lowest crime rates (even though the media reports otherwise; I know, I live there) when its people were in general a lot more modest than they are now. Since becoming mroe liberated (rather, since embracing unnecessary nudity: topless sunbathers in Hurghada and Sharm, unnecessary, but girls in midriff-baring tops running errands? Why?), crime has soared freakishly fast.

]]> by: Ben http://www.topofthemountains.net/2006/08/02/a-return-to-modesty/#comment-9434 Sun, 05 Nov 2006 01:34:29 +0000 http://www.topofthemountains.net/2006/08/02/a-return-to-modesty/#comment-9434 Rats, I was hoping you wouldn't call me out on that. ;) Rats, I was hoping you wouldn’t call me out on that. ;)

]]> by: Liz http://www.topofthemountains.net/2006/08/02/a-return-to-modesty/#comment-8511 Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:34:29 +0000 http://www.topofthemountains.net/2006/08/02/a-return-to-modesty/#comment-8511 True, but it also brings in the point that you cannot judge whether a movie appropriately portrays these issues by using an out-of-context list like those provided on movie ratings sites. True, but it also brings in the point that you cannot judge whether a movie appropriately portrays these issues by using an out-of-context list like those provided on movie ratings sites.

]]> by: Ben http://www.topofthemountains.net/2006/08/02/a-return-to-modesty/#comment-8474 Fri, 27 Oct 2006 18:20:30 +0000 http://www.topofthemountains.net/2006/08/02/a-return-to-modesty/#comment-8474 Interesting. I could have been wrong. :) But even if <i>Hitch</i> is an exception, I think my point stands, that most of these modern movies portray sex inappropriately. Interesting. I could have been wrong. :) But even if Hitch is an exception, I think my point stands, that most of these modern movies portray sex inappropriately.

]]> by: Liz http://www.topofthemountains.net/2006/08/02/a-return-to-modesty/#comment-7695 Sun, 22 Oct 2006 14:25:18 +0000 http://www.topofthemountains.net/2006/08/02/a-return-to-modesty/#comment-7695 Just an update on this topic: I watched <i>Hitch</i> this weekend, and I have to say I see nothing inappropriate about it. The few sexual references in the movie exist to condemn getting into relationships for merely lustful reasons. The whole point of the movie is to discuss how those kinds of things fit into dating life, so I think the references were, for the most part, necessary and appropriate to the message, which was a good one. None of the references were gratuitous or vulgar, in my opinion. I hear worse at my family's Thanksgiving dinner table, and we're all members. :D There's a certain necessity to discussing some sexual issues when it comes to discussing relationships, and, for a mainstream movie, this hits very close to the gospel philosophy of relationships. Discussion, however, does not equal approval. Just thought I should follow through on that. Just an update on this topic: I watched Hitch this weekend, and I have to say I see nothing inappropriate about it. The few sexual references in the movie exist to condemn getting into relationships for merely lustful reasons. The whole point of the movie is to discuss how those kinds of things fit into dating life, so I think the references were, for the most part, necessary and appropriate to the message, which was a good one.

None of the references were gratuitous or vulgar, in my opinion. I hear worse at my family’s Thanksgiving dinner table, and we’re all members. :D There’s a certain necessity to discussing some sexual issues when it comes to discussing relationships, and, for a mainstream movie, this hits very close to the gospel philosophy of relationships. Discussion, however, does not equal approval.

Just thought I should follow through on that.

]]> by: Ben http://www.topofthemountains.net/2006/08/02/a-return-to-modesty/#comment-4976 Sun, 10 Sep 2006 20:28:28 +0000 http://www.topofthemountains.net/2006/08/02/a-return-to-modesty/#comment-4976 Laura: Thanks for your comment. :) I agree, it's easy to turn into the frog in the kettle if we're not careful. Liz: Variation of standards is one really good reason (among many) for having people rely on the Spirit for guidance. :) (It sounds almost like a cop-out, but personal revelation really is the key to staying on God's path. What's right for you may be wrong for me, and vice versa.) Laura: Thanks for your comment. :) I agree, it’s easy to turn into the frog in the kettle if we’re not careful.

Liz: Variation of standards is one really good reason (among many) for having people rely on the Spirit for guidance. :) (It sounds almost like a cop-out, but personal revelation really is the key to staying on God’s path. What’s right for you may be wrong for me, and vice versa.)

]]> by: Liz http://www.topofthemountains.net/2006/08/02/a-return-to-modesty/#comment-4825 Fri, 08 Sep 2006 03:51:24 +0000 http://www.topofthemountains.net/2006/08/02/a-return-to-modesty/#comment-4825 The ironic thing about this whole, um, thing, is that I actually haven't seen Hitch, so I couldn't really tell you my opinion on its appropriateness. The point of bringing it up was just to point out that there's a lot of variation of standards, even amongst church leaders. Which is why I try to float somewhere in the middle of it all. The ironic thing about this whole, um, thing, is that I actually haven’t seen Hitch, so I couldn’t really tell you my opinion on its appropriateness. The point of bringing it up was just to point out that there’s a lot of variation of standards, even amongst church leaders. Which is why I try to float somewhere in the middle of it all.

]]> by: Laura http://www.topofthemountains.net/2006/08/02/a-return-to-modesty/#comment-4717 Wed, 06 Sep 2006 02:22:33 +0000 http://www.topofthemountains.net/2006/08/02/a-return-to-modesty/#comment-4717 I am an active member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Ladder-day Saints and I watched "Hitch" and enjoyed it. Having said that, I agree with Ben about it being inappropriate. Some of the jokes made me uncomfortable as I watched it. A few years ago I started watching more PG-13 movies and I think I have become desensitized to it. I haven't seen as many in theaters, because I do like the option to skip scenes, but many of them are still full of inappropriate jokes and morals, even if you cut out the gratuitous sex scene. Honestly, what value comes from most of those movies? I took my little brother to see "Superman Returns" for his birthday. I would say that it's pretty clean for a PG-13 movie. There was one joke in there that I probably wouldn't have thought much of had my little brother not asked me what everyone was laughing about. The moral standards in the movie are also out of line with what I believe in. I have seen really good PG-13 rated movies. I don't regret watching "Saving Private Ryan" and "Schindler's List" but I think the more often we say "This R-rated movie is OK" the easier it is to say it again and again, when maybe it isn't. It happened to me with PG-13 rated movies. There are still plenty of PG-13 rated movies I wouldn't watch, but I've gone farther and farther down the road. So, here's my commitment to tighten my standards in what I watch. Thank you for the wake-up call. I am an active member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Ladder-day Saints and I watched “Hitch” and enjoyed it. Having said that, I agree with Ben about it being inappropriate. Some of the jokes made me uncomfortable as I watched it. A few years ago I started watching more PG-13 movies and I think I have become desensitized to it. I haven’t seen as many in theaters, because I do like the option to skip scenes, but many of them are still full of inappropriate jokes and morals, even if you cut out the gratuitous sex scene. Honestly, what value comes from most of those movies? I took my little brother to see “Superman Returns” for his birthday. I would say that it’s pretty clean for a PG-13 movie. There was one joke in there that I probably wouldn’t have thought much of had my little brother not asked me what everyone was laughing about. The moral standards in the movie are also out of line with what I believe in.

I have seen really good PG-13 rated movies. I don’t regret watching “Saving Private Ryan” and “Schindler’s List” but I think the more often we say “This R-rated movie is OK” the easier it is to say it again and again, when maybe it isn’t. It happened to me with PG-13 rated movies. There are still plenty of PG-13 rated movies I wouldn’t watch, but I’ve gone farther and farther down the road. So, here’s my commitment to tighten my standards in what I watch. Thank you for the wake-up call.

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