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		<title>by: Ben</title>
		<link>http://www.topofthemountains.net/2007/11/02/college-will-change/#comment-58633</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 06:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I don't know enough about economics to respond to that. :)  I don't think the change will be dramatic (assuming it does in fact happen), but it'll definitely have a presence.  And my guess is that it won't completely replace conventional professions, or even become a majority.  But it'll be a noticeably large chunk of the pie.  Surely there's more than 1% already going the unconventional route, don't you think?

As for my degree, dropping out &lt;i&gt;has&lt;/i&gt; crossed my mind several times, but it seems good to have a backup plan just in case. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know enough about economics to respond to that. :)  I don&#8217;t think the change will be dramatic (assuming it does in fact happen), but it&#8217;ll definitely have a presence.  And my guess is that it won&#8217;t completely replace conventional professions, or even become a majority.  But it&#8217;ll be a noticeably large chunk of the pie.  Surely there&#8217;s more than 1% already going the unconventional route, don&#8217;t you think?</p>
<p>As for my degree, dropping out <i>has</i> crossed my mind several times, but it seems good to have a backup plan just in case. ;)
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		<title>by: Aaron</title>
		<link>http://www.topofthemountains.net/2007/11/02/college-will-change/#comment-58606</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 00:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Ben,


As a recent college graduate and current high school teacher, I am very intrigued by the idea that &quot;college will change&quot; because the realities of the marketplace will make a degree obsolete in the face of ability and a great idea. However, I don't see a dramatic change happening in colleges coming any time soon. The &quot;degree&quot; is still all-important for the 99% of us going the conventional route. Even yourself, someone who can't be pigeonholed into one conventional profession or interest, still finds a graduate library degree to be worth the effort and time. 

Our economy just won't support a large minority of startups and &quot;idea&quot; businesses. The vast majority of high school and college graduates are going to be cogs--or should I say &quot;vital cogs&quot;--in larger organizations and companies. And to compete for those jobs, they'll need both a degree and the drive/ability/character/personality to sway a interviewer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben,</p>
<p>As a recent college graduate and current high school teacher, I am very intrigued by the idea that &#8220;college will change&#8221; because the realities of the marketplace will make a degree obsolete in the face of ability and a great idea. However, I don&#8217;t see a dramatic change happening in colleges coming any time soon. The &#8220;degree&#8221; is still all-important for the 99% of us going the conventional route. Even yourself, someone who can&#8217;t be pigeonholed into one conventional profession or interest, still finds a graduate library degree to be worth the effort and time. </p>
<p>Our economy just won&#8217;t support a large minority of startups and &#8220;idea&#8221; businesses. The vast majority of high school and college graduates are going to be cogs&#8211;or should I say &#8220;vital cogs&#8221;&#8211;in larger organizations and companies. And to compete for those jobs, they&#8217;ll need both a degree and the drive/ability/character/personality to sway a interviewer.
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		<title>by: Top of the Mountains &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The end of an era</title>
		<link>http://www.topofthemountains.net/2007/11/02/college-will-change/#comment-56296</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Dec 2007 01:22:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] Well, as soon as I hit the &amp;#8220;Publish&amp;#8221; button, NaBloPoMo will be over for me. Can I get an alleluia?! [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Well, as soon as I hit the &#8220;Publish&#8221; button, NaBloPoMo will be over for me. Can I get an alleluia?! [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: Top of the Mountains &#187; Blog Archive &#187; NaBoMeReMo</title>
		<link>http://www.topofthemountains.net/2007/11/02/college-will-change/#comment-55845</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] Having just finished NaNoWriMo yesterday, and with a few days of NaBloPoMo still left, my reaction to seeing the NaBoMoReMo website (National Book of Mormon Reading Month, and thanks to Dan&amp;#8217;s blog for the heads-up) was split: on the one hand, I&amp;#8217;m tired, and yet another ball to juggle felt like almost more than I can handle. On the other hand, however, I&amp;#8217;m reading the Book of Mormon anyway; this will just be a change in method. And, frankly, the idea of gulping down large amounts of scripture (since I&amp;#8217;ll have to ramp up my reading to finish on time) delights me. A week or so ago Connor sent out a quote that really stuck in my head:  An effort must be put forth to learn the gospel, to understand it, to comprehend the relationship of its principles. The gospel must be studied, otherwise no test of its truth may sanely be applied to it. That study must be wide, for the gospel is so organized that in it is a place for every truth, of every name and nature. That study must be constantly continued, for the content of the gospel is illimitable. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Having just finished NaNoWriMo yesterday, and with a few days of NaBloPoMo still left, my reaction to seeing the NaBoMoReMo website (National Book of Mormon Reading Month, and thanks to Dan&#8217;s blog for the heads-up) was split: on the one hand, I&#8217;m tired, and yet another ball to juggle felt like almost more than I can handle. On the other hand, however, I&#8217;m reading the Book of Mormon anyway; this will just be a change in method. And, frankly, the idea of gulping down large amounts of scripture (since I&#8217;ll have to ramp up my reading to finish on time) delights me. A week or so ago Connor sent out a quote that really stuck in my head:  An effort must be put forth to learn the gospel, to understand it, to comprehend the relationship of its principles. The gospel must be studied, otherwise no test of its truth may sanely be applied to it. That study must be wide, for the gospel is so organized that in it is a place for every truth, of every name and nature. That study must be constantly continued, for the content of the gospel is illimitable. [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: Top of the Mountains &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Pencil sharpening</title>
		<link>http://www.topofthemountains.net/2007/11/02/college-will-change/#comment-53395</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 05:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] I&amp;#8217;ve been posting a lot lately. While NaBloPoMo is why I haven&amp;#8217;t missed a day this month, there&amp;#8217;ve been several days with more than one post (like today), and I just realized why: I&amp;#8217;m avoiding working on my novel. Blogging is easy writing, but fiction is hard &amp;#8212; dang hard &amp;#8212; and so I try to procrastinate it for as long as possible. I can&amp;#8217;t tell you the number of times I&amp;#8217;ve careened to the edge of giving up, looked down over it, and then found my resolve and returned to safety. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] I&#8217;ve been posting a lot lately. While NaBloPoMo is why I haven&#8217;t missed a day this month, there&#8217;ve been several days with more than one post (like today), and I just realized why: I&#8217;m avoiding working on my novel. Blogging is easy writing, but fiction is hard &#8212; dang hard &#8212; and so I try to procrastinate it for as long as possible. I can&#8217;t tell you the number of times I&#8217;ve careened to the edge of giving up, looked down over it, and then found my resolve and returned to safety. [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: Ben</title>
		<link>http://www.topofthemountains.net/2007/11/02/college-will-change/#comment-52878</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 23:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Sean: I haven't read DeMille's book, but I've read some of his essays (and I think I heard him speak at a conference once), and I agree with a lot of what he says.  Our school systems are definitely too much regurgitation and not enough thinking.  They're not &lt;i&gt;all&lt;/i&gt; like that, but I don't really feel like my time in high school and college did as much for my creative thinking skills as they could have (and should have).

Mary: See my next post. :)

Janssen: Good to know.  Hopefully the pre-meds in the audience are paying attention. :)  Myself, I could never be a doctor because of the icky nature of it, not to mention the high stress levels.  But God bless those who do it, especially those who do it because they want to help humanity out.

Bart: You two must be on the same wavelength or something. ;)  No, really, you're right -- business management skills are important even for those who aren't in business.  And I think everyone &lt;i&gt;should&lt;/i&gt; learn business, or at least the rudiments of it.  We all have to deal with it to one degree or another, and the more we know, the less likely it is that we'll be taken advantage of.  (Not that I think everyone's out to get me. :))  And, in general, we'll be better prepared for life.

Ryan: If Graham is right about more and more people not going to college, then hopefully we'll be able to get rid of the stigma that not going to college makes someone a failure in life, doomed to flipping burgers at McDonald's for eternity.  I'd love to see it presented as an equally viable option.  (Not going to college, that is, not flipping burgers. :))</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sean: I haven&#8217;t read DeMille&#8217;s book, but I&#8217;ve read some of his essays (and I think I heard him speak at a conference once), and I agree with a lot of what he says.  Our school systems are definitely too much regurgitation and not enough thinking.  They&#8217;re not <i>all</i> like that, but I don&#8217;t really feel like my time in high school and college did as much for my creative thinking skills as they could have (and should have).</p>
<p>Mary: See my next post. :)</p>
<p>Janssen: Good to know.  Hopefully the pre-meds in the audience are paying attention. :)  Myself, I could never be a doctor because of the icky nature of it, not to mention the high stress levels.  But God bless those who do it, especially those who do it because they want to help humanity out.</p>
<p>Bart: You two must be on the same wavelength or something. ;)  No, really, you&#8217;re right &#8212; business management skills are important even for those who aren&#8217;t in business.  And I think everyone <i>should</i> learn business, or at least the rudiments of it.  We all have to deal with it to one degree or another, and the more we know, the less likely it is that we&#8217;ll be taken advantage of.  (Not that I think everyone&#8217;s out to get me. :))  And, in general, we&#8217;ll be better prepared for life.</p>
<p>Ryan: If Graham is right about more and more people not going to college, then hopefully we&#8217;ll be able to get rid of the stigma that not going to college makes someone a failure in life, doomed to flipping burgers at McDonald&#8217;s for eternity.  I&#8217;d love to see it presented as an equally viable option.  (Not going to college, that is, not flipping burgers. :))
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		<title>by: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://www.topofthemountains.net/2007/11/02/college-will-change/#comment-52871</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 22:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I used to play the board game Life with friends back in Elementary school.  They always took the college route to start and I never did.  My chances of winning were always just as high as theirs were.  Though it's just a board game I've always believed the scenario to be the same in real life.  It doesn't matter whether or not you have a degree, only that you know what you need to know.  For some, the best way to accomplish that is to go to school.  For others, school is like a prison you have to pay a lot of money to attend.

In real life, my friends took the same route they always took in the game, and so did I.  Both routes have proved successful, just as in the game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to play the board game Life with friends back in Elementary school.  They always took the college route to start and I never did.  My chances of winning were always just as high as theirs were.  Though it&#8217;s just a board game I&#8217;ve always believed the scenario to be the same in real life.  It doesn&#8217;t matter whether or not you have a degree, only that you know what you need to know.  For some, the best way to accomplish that is to go to school.  For others, school is like a prison you have to pay a lot of money to attend.</p>
<p>In real life, my friends took the same route they always took in the game, and so did I.  Both routes have proved successful, just as in the game.
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		<title>by: Bart</title>
		<link>http://www.topofthemountains.net/2007/11/02/college-will-change/#comment-52858</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 18:20:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Funny thing is I was just about to say the same thing as Janssen until I saw her comment. :)

As for business, I'm starting to realize more and more that all organizations, be they nonprofits or corporate giants, need good &quot;business management&quot; to survive. Even the Church needs savvy people running its finances, operations, &quot;marketing,&quot; etc. Libraries need cash to buy materials, pay workers, and pay the bills, so they have people making sure they request and receive every grant and donation possible, and they have people keeping account of all the money that comes in and out.

I'm not saying that everyone should love business or even learn business. I've just been interested to find that what we commonly call &quot;business&quot; is in everything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny thing is I was just about to say the same thing as Janssen until I saw her comment. :)</p>
<p>As for business, I&#8217;m starting to realize more and more that all organizations, be they nonprofits or corporate giants, need good &#8220;business management&#8221; to survive. Even the Church needs savvy people running its finances, operations, &#8220;marketing,&#8221; etc. Libraries need cash to buy materials, pay workers, and pay the bills, so they have people making sure they request and receive every grant and donation possible, and they have people keeping account of all the money that comes in and out.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying that everyone should love business or even learn business. I&#8217;ve just been interested to find that what we commonly call &#8220;business&#8221; is in everything.
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		<title>by: Janssen</title>
		<link>http://www.topofthemountains.net/2007/11/02/college-will-change/#comment-52856</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 17:25:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Glad you're joining the fun.

(Also, if you were in a career just for the money, I would SO advise against the medical route. The money just isn't that amazing, especially when you consider the time you spend to 1) getting through med school and 2) being a doctor for the rest of your career. 

I dated a guy in high school who's dad was a heart surgeon (he made quite a  bit of money, obviously) but he told everyone who would listen not to go into medicine.

You want money? Go into business). 

I have no idea why I felt the need to make this rant. Excuse me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad you&#8217;re joining the fun.</p>
<p>(Also, if you were in a career just for the money, I would SO advise against the medical route. The money just isn&#8217;t that amazing, especially when you consider the time you spend to 1) getting through med school and 2) being a doctor for the rest of your career. </p>
<p>I dated a guy in high school who&#8217;s dad was a heart surgeon (he made quite a  bit of money, obviously) but he told everyone who would listen not to go into medicine.</p>
<p>You want money? Go into business). </p>
<p>I have no idea why I felt the need to make this rant. Excuse me.
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		<title>by: Mary</title>
		<link>http://www.topofthemountains.net/2007/11/02/college-will-change/#comment-52855</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 16:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>NaBloPoMo? What? Everyone knows (or should know) that November is NaNoWriMo! So start cranking out a 50,000 word novel!

check it out http://www.nanowrimo.org 

It's amazing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NaBloPoMo? What? Everyone knows (or should know) that November is NaNoWriMo! So start cranking out a 50,000 word novel!</p>
<p>check it out <a href="http://www.nanowrimo.org" rel='nofollow' onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview ('/outbound/www.nanowrimo.org');">http://www.nanowrimo.org</a> </p>
<p>It&#8217;s amazing.
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