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		<title>by: Ben</title>
		<link>http://www.topofthemountains.net/2008/03/21/united-we-stand/#comment-72348</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 May 2008 01:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>by: rikker</title>
		<link>http://www.topofthemountains.net/2008/03/21/united-we-stand/#comment-72140</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 16:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I just saw the Nicolas Cage popcorn flick &lt;i&gt;National Treasure: Book of Secrets&lt;/i&gt;. Now I know where you got that line...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just saw the Nicolas Cage popcorn flick <i>National Treasure: Book of Secrets</i>. Now I know where you got that line&#8230;
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		<title>by: rikker</title>
		<link>http://www.topofthemountains.net/2008/03/21/united-we-stand/#comment-68662</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 08:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;Example: before the Civil War, people said “The United States ARE”; after the Civil War they said “The United States IS.”&lt;/i&gt;

I'm not sure if you mean this literally or metaphorically. While it's a catchy way of metaphorically encapsulating changes in popular thought before and after the Civil War, it's certainly not strictly true. The two usages have different semantics, both of which are useful in different ways.

William Cobbett, &lt;i&gt;A History of the Protestant Reformation in England and Ireland&lt;/i&gt;, &lt;b&gt;1832&lt;/b&gt;, &lt;a&gt;p. 197&lt;/a&gt;:
&lt;i&gt;The United States of America is a very happy country.&lt;/i&gt;

William H. Seward, &lt;i&gt;The Works of William Seward&lt;/i&gt;, &lt;b&gt;1853&lt;/b&gt;, &lt;a&gt;p. 415&lt;/a&gt;:
&lt;i&gt;Her argument is, that &quot; the United States of America is a body corporate, distinct from the states as political bodies, and capable of holding real and personal property;&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

When talking about the country as a whole, the singular clearly makes sense, because the several states formed one federal nation, which obviously was true both before and after the Civil War.

George Bancroft, &lt;i&gt;History of the Formation of the Constitution of the United States of America&lt;/i&gt;, &lt;b&gt;1889&lt;/b&gt;, &lt;a&gt;p. 331&lt;/a&gt;:
&lt;i&gt;The United States of America are not only a republic, they are &quot;a society of societies,&quot; &quot;a federal republic.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

John Bouvier, &lt;i&gt;A Law Dictionary, Adapted to the Constitution and Laws of the United States&lt;/i&gt;, &lt;b&gt;2004&lt;/b&gt;, &lt;a&gt;p. 591&lt;/a&gt;:
&lt;i&gt;The United States of America are a corporation endowed with the capacity to sue and be sued, to convey and receive property.&lt;/i&gt;

When referring to common properties of the States together, the plural seems most fitting. In the 2004 example, I'd actually expect the singular, so it's particularly notable and interesting that this law dictionary chooses to use the plural.

I know, I know. I'm a spoilsport.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Example: before the Civil War, people said “The United States ARE”; after the Civil War they said “The United States IS.”</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure if you mean this literally or metaphorically. While it&#8217;s a catchy way of metaphorically encapsulating changes in popular thought before and after the Civil War, it&#8217;s certainly not strictly true. The two usages have different semantics, both of which are useful in different ways.</p>
<p>William Cobbett, <i>A History of the Protestant Reformation in England and Ireland</i>, <b>1832</b>, <a>p. 197</a>:<br />
<i>The United States of America is a very happy country.</i></p>
<p>William H. Seward, <i>The Works of William Seward</i>, <b>1853</b>, <a>p. 415</a>:<br />
<i>Her argument is, that &#8221; the United States of America is a body corporate, distinct from the states as political bodies, and capable of holding real and personal property;&#8221;</i></p>
<p>When talking about the country as a whole, the singular clearly makes sense, because the several states formed one federal nation, which obviously was true both before and after the Civil War.</p>
<p>George Bancroft, <i>History of the Formation of the Constitution of the United States of America</i>, <b>1889</b>, <a>p. 331</a>:<br />
<i>The United States of America are not only a republic, they are &#8220;a society of societies,&#8221; &#8220;a federal republic.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>John Bouvier, <i>A Law Dictionary, Adapted to the Constitution and Laws of the United States</i>, <b>2004</b>, <a>p. 591</a>:<br />
<i>The United States of America are a corporation endowed with the capacity to sue and be sued, to convey and receive property.</i></p>
<p>When referring to common properties of the States together, the plural seems most fitting. In the 2004 example, I&#8217;d actually expect the singular, so it&#8217;s particularly notable and interesting that this law dictionary chooses to use the plural.</p>
<p>I know, I know. I&#8217;m a spoilsport.
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		<title>by: Haley</title>
		<link>http://www.topofthemountains.net/2008/03/21/united-we-stand/#comment-68596</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Well don't forget--the Civil War was about way more than slavery. It was about tariffs and states' rights. The Union was asserting that the Federal Government had the final say in what the states were doing, and the Confederacy was protesting that. Slavery was only an appendage to that, as were taxes and tariffs. In a way, the Civil War MADE us a single country. Example: before the Civil War, people said &quot;The United States ARE&quot;; after the Civil War they said &quot;The United States IS.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well don&#8217;t forget&#8211;the Civil War was about way more than slavery. It was about tariffs and states&#8217; rights. The Union was asserting that the Federal Government had the final say in what the states were doing, and the Confederacy was protesting that. Slavery was only an appendage to that, as were taxes and tariffs. In a way, the Civil War MADE us a single country. Example: before the Civil War, people said &#8220;The United States ARE&#8221;; after the Civil War they said &#8220;The United States IS.&#8221;
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		<title>by: rikker</title>
		<link>http://www.topofthemountains.net/2008/03/21/united-we-stand/#comment-68573</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 10:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I love these kinds of shows, too. The best live accompaniment for silent film I've ever seen is the Alloy Orchestra. I'm not sure they play outside of the east coast (I saw them in New Hampshire), but they were fantastic.

They compose entirely new scores for the silent films they perform (both shorts and features), and perform them on a combination of traditional and off-the-wall instruments (think bedpans and giant springs, etc). I loved it. They sell DVDs, but I never bought any, and I think the live show is probably really where it's at. One I went to was a series of shorts, including the pre-sound Laurel and Hardy short &lt;i&gt;Big Business&lt;/i&gt; (&lt;a href=&quot;http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1422804649423697116&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Google Video&lt;/a&gt;, YouTube &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCm019GjZ34&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;part 1&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppz9a2bAXyE&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;part 2&lt;/a&gt;), and &lt;i&gt;One Week&lt;/i&gt; (&lt;a href=&quot;http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3147358394537366471&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Google Video&lt;/a&gt;, YouTube &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVJsmF5wAVU&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;part 1&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9v8P3k_aYo&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;part 2&lt;/a&gt;), a Buster Keaton classic. I also saw their performance of the Harold Lloyd feature &lt;i&gt;Speedy&lt;/i&gt;:


I'm thrilled to discover that some of their work is on YouTube. Just search &quot;Alloy Orchestra&quot; and you'll find a few Buster Keaton films with their accompaniment. Cool!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love these kinds of shows, too. The best live accompaniment for silent film I&#8217;ve ever seen is the Alloy Orchestra. I&#8217;m not sure they play outside of the east coast (I saw them in New Hampshire), but they were fantastic.</p>
<p>They compose entirely new scores for the silent films they perform (both shorts and features), and perform them on a combination of traditional and off-the-wall instruments (think bedpans and giant springs, etc). I loved it. They sell DVDs, but I never bought any, and I think the live show is probably really where it&#8217;s at. One I went to was a series of shorts, including the pre-sound Laurel and Hardy short <i>Big Business</i> (<a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1422804649423697116" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview ('/outbound/video.google.com');">Google Video</a>, YouTube <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCm019GjZ34" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview ('/outbound/www.youtube.com');">part 1</a> and <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppz9a2bAXyE" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview ('/outbound/www.youtube.com');">part 2</a>), and <i>One Week</i> (<a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3147358394537366471" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview ('/outbound/video.google.com');">Google Video</a>, YouTube <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVJsmF5wAVU" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview ('/outbound/www.youtube.com');">part 1</a> and <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9v8P3k_aYo" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:pageTracker._trackPageview ('/outbound/www.youtube.com');">part 2</a>), a Buster Keaton classic. I also saw their performance of the Harold Lloyd feature <i>Speedy</i>:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m thrilled to discover that some of their work is on YouTube. Just search &#8220;Alloy Orchestra&#8221; and you&#8217;ll find a few Buster Keaton films with their accompaniment. Cool!
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		<title>by: Carly</title>
		<link>http://www.topofthemountains.net/2008/03/21/united-we-stand/#comment-68540</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 01:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I went to one of these shows a year ago, and I'm not going to lie, it was pretty fantastic. Except the one I saw didn't address such deep issues (or really come close to them). But it was very funny and the organist was amazing. Fun times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I went to one of these shows a year ago, and I&#8217;m not going to lie, it was pretty fantastic. Except the one I saw didn&#8217;t address such deep issues (or really come close to them). But it was very funny and the organist was amazing. Fun times.
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		<title>by: Mali</title>
		<link>http://www.topofthemountains.net/2008/03/21/united-we-stand/#comment-68426</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Mar 2008 04:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I think the most disheartening and frightening thing that seems to have survived from the Civil War is the KKK.  It doesn't matter where I see them depicted (aside from perhaps the rather humorous &quot;O Brother Where Art Thou?&quot;) but those guys are seriously evil and extremely scary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the most disheartening and frightening thing that seems to have survived from the Civil War is the KKK.  It doesn&#8217;t matter where I see them depicted (aside from perhaps the rather humorous &#8220;O Brother Where Art Thou?&#8221;) but those guys are seriously evil and extremely scary.
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		<title>by: rikker</title>
		<link>http://www.topofthemountains.net/2008/03/21/united-we-stand/#comment-68387</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 16:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>For entertaining non-fiction about how the confederacy never really died, check out &lt;i&gt;Confederates in the Attic&lt;/i&gt;.

One of my friends in school, who had lived in Arkansas for a dozen years or so before moving to down, had a license-plate-size sign he kept on the dash of his truck, depicting an angry-looking cartoon confederate soldier holding a confederate flag, with the words, &quot;Forget? Hell!&quot;

His older brother had a big belt buckle with the confederate flag in the shape of the U.S., and the words &quot;The South will rise again&quot;.

And don't forget that the South Carolina capitol building still flies a confederate flag to this day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For entertaining non-fiction about how the confederacy never really died, check out <i>Confederates in the Attic</i>.</p>
<p>One of my friends in school, who had lived in Arkansas for a dozen years or so before moving to down, had a license-plate-size sign he kept on the dash of his truck, depicting an angry-looking cartoon confederate soldier holding a confederate flag, with the words, &#8220;Forget? Hell!&#8221;</p>
<p>His older brother had a big belt buckle with the confederate flag in the shape of the U.S., and the words &#8220;The South will rise again&#8221;.</p>
<p>And don&#8217;t forget that the South Carolina capitol building still flies a confederate flag to this day.
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		<title>by: Ali</title>
		<link>http://www.topofthemountains.net/2008/03/21/united-we-stand/#comment-68361</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 16:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>After learning about the Civil War in an AL elementary school, visiting parts of the rural South, and observing Southern race-relations, I'm not so sure the country has completely healed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After learning about the Civil War in an AL elementary school, visiting parts of the rural South, and observing Southern race-relations, I&#8217;m not so sure the country has completely healed.
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		<title>by: Julie</title>
		<link>http://www.topofthemountains.net/2008/03/21/united-we-stand/#comment-68334</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 05:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Don't the people in the South speak another language? Have you listened to Paula Deen on the Food Network? 
haha I only say this with the pure love of the Southern dialects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t the people in the South speak another language? Have you listened to Paula Deen on the Food Network?<br />
haha I only say this with the pure love of the Southern dialects.
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